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Unreleased Chinese Democracy Era Songs Definitive List & Information

What can I say?
Free will is blind today
The choice that you made
Is a not a road that I would take
To use and betray
Simple as a power play
Not far away
With tears that go unexplained now

Oh my love
Can it be?
I'm falling from your grace with me now
Oh more than ever
I still remember

They say
It's just a passing phase
No more like a game
Problems of the human race
Goes right to your brain
Caught down in a hidden place
With no sense of shame
The secrets there and you can't erase

Oh my love
Can it be?
I'm falling from your grace with me
Now more than ever
I still remember your name

When do you think you can tell me?
How long do you think I can wait?
Oh no I said
I thought I never said I was sorry
Now don't you fall on your face now with livin' with it
The storm is comin 'again
I, I sense the shiverin' down
You thought you had it, ah
But thought you had it figured it out
But you do not even care

How could it be?
You're falling from your grace with me

And now, now my love
I ask
I ask myself what I believin'
'Cause now more than ever I still remember your name



@Borki @Lacerda
Thoughts ?

"free will is blind"

Jesus healed a blind man. We should keep in mind, that many stories in the bible have different layers of meaning. There are many types of blindness, physically and metaphorically. Both can be true in this case.

"not a road I would take"

Jesus adviced many times, to take the narrow path in life, not the wide one where all the fools walk. Following in the footsteps of jesus is a difficult and hard road. Not one many would take.

"betray"

obviously jesus was betrayed by his own disciple Judas. Even peter rejected him three times (but was nevertheless made the cornerstone of the church).

"not far away, with tears that go unexplained"

jesus is still within us, if we listen. He's crying because of all the evil in this world.

"I'm falling from your grace now"

as sinners, we fall from grace with jesus every day. But Jesus is loving us unconditionally, and he is forgiving.

"they say its just a passing phase, just a game"

you can view life as a phase on earth, where you have free will, with the option to chose the good path or the evil path.

"caught down in a hidden place, with no sense of shame. the secrets there you can't erase": jesus said many times, that no evil will stay hidden and everything will be revealed

"when do you think you can tell me, you do not even care etc..."

evokes sentiments of the book of job. People who believe in god, when facing hardship in life, tend to question god, asking him, why did he desert them. Jesus asked the same question, at the cross. In Job, god answers to all the complaints. Faith thrives when it goes wrong in life. When everything goes great, we tend to slack in our faith. When it goes bad, we turn back to god for help. That's the circle of faith.
 
"free will is blind"

Jesus healed a blind man. We should keep in mind, that many stories in the bible have different layers of meaning. There are many types of blindness, physically and metaphorically. Both can be true in this case.

"not a road I would take"

Jesus adviced many times, to take the narrow path in life, not the wide one where all the fools walk. Following in the footsteps of jesus is a difficult and hard road. Not one many would take.

"betray"

obviously jesus was betrayed by his own disciple Judas. Even peter rejected him three times (but was nevertheless made the cornerstone of the church).

"not far away, with tears that go unexplained"

jesus is still within us, if we listen. He's crying because of all the evil in this world.

"I'm falling from your grace now"

as sinners, we fall from grace with jesus every day. But Jesus is loving us unconditionally, and he is forgiving.

"they say its just a passing phase, just a game"

you can view life as a phase on earth, where you have free will, with the option to chose the good path or the evil path.

"caught down in a hidden place, with no sense of shame. the secrets there you can't erase": jesus said many times, that no evil will stay hidden and everything will be revealed

"when do you think you can tell me, you do not even care etc..."

evokes sentiments of the book of job. People who believe in god, when facing hardship in life, tend to question god, asking him, why did he desert them. Jesus asked the same question, at the cross. In Job, god answers to all the complaints. Faith thrives when it goes wrong in life. When everything goes great, we tend to slack in our faith. When it goes bad, we turn back to god for help. That's the circle of faith.
Thank you for your excellent post.
Do you see why i believe the song title Seven fits into it being State of grace.
 
Thank you for your excellent post.
Do you see why i believe the song title Seven fits into it being State of grace.
I thought Circus Maximus was supposed to be Seven? What about Elvis? Guitar wise, that is the best New GNR song since TWAT. And it flows nicely. There ain’t two minutes of weird noises before the solo kicks in.
 
I thought Circus Maximus was supposed to be Seven? What about Elvis? Guitar wise, that is the best New GNR song since TWAT. And it flows nicely. There ain’t two minutes of weird noises before the solo kicks in.
Elvis is Soul Monster aka Leave Me Alone according to Axl Rose.

The bridge in "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul aka The Soul Monster (working title Leave Me Alone)" which will no doubt end up "Soul Monster".

I think it's our most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward. (Axl Rose , Here Today... Gone to Hell Forum, Dec. 2008)
 
Elvis is Soul Monster aka Leave Me Alone according to Axl Rose.

The bridge in "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul aka The Soul Monster (working title Leave Me Alone)" which will no doubt end up "Soul Monster".

I think it's our most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward. (Axl Rose , Here Today... Gone to Hell Forum, Dec. 2008)
It sucks that we will have to wait until Axl Rose dies before we get to hear that song with vocals. Structurally it sounds very similar to the Layla outro with guitars instead of piano. Do you think Axl’s saving it for a posthumous release because even he is smart enough not to let Old Gravy Biceps replace the guitars on it and ruin the song?
 
Thank you for your excellent post.
Do you see why i believe the song title Seven fits into it being State of grace.
absolutely. that's pretty much a given.

Seven is also a divine number. god created the world in seven days etc.

I think the lyrics are very beautiful. I hope that was their meaning. it would mean that, yep, he's one of the good ones.
 
State of Grace sounds like Axl's mad at a chick (Stepshanie Seymour) for cheating on her with that cheap punk Warren Beatty. And her pussy must be a religious experience because he uses Jesus' state of grace on the cross to describe the situation.
 
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Boy cd2 supposed track list looks rough in hindsight.

1. Cuban Skies - is a question but working on that

2. The General - Released

3. Atlas - soon to be released and leaked

4. Soul Monster

5. Silk Worms/ Absurd - Released

6. Thyme

7. Prostitute v2/ Blood in the water - Leaked

8. Chinese Democracy v2 - ?

9. Better v2 - Leaked

10. This I Love v2 - Leaked

11. Going Down - Leaked

12. Tonto

13. Monstrosity/Monsters ‐ Leaked

14. Catcher - ?

15 . Nothing - Soon to be released

16. Jackie Chan / Hardschool - Released

17. L - ?

18. Perhaps - Released

19. Omg v2 / Bumblefoot - Leaked

20. 4 Heavens / 4 Kohd versions - Leaked

21. Light My Fire - Doors cover song ?
Chinese Democracy v2 = Brain remix of Chinese Democracy @ROSS TCB wtf we couldn't even get the full remix cd. How did the Mississippi Playboy not realize that ?
disappointed the wire GIF
 
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Boy cd2 supposed track list looks rough in hindsight.

1. Cuban Skies - is a question but working on that

2. The General - Released

3. Atlas - soon to be released and leaked

4. Soul Monster

5. Silk Worms/ Absurd - Released

6. Thyme

7. Prostitute v2/ Blood in the water - Leaked

8. Chinese Democracy v2 - ?

9. Better v2 - Leaked

10. This I Love v2 - Leaked

11. Going Down - Leaked

12. Tonto

13. Monstrosity/Monsters ‐ Leaked

14. Catcher - ?

15 . Nothing - Soon to be released

16. Jackie Chan / Hardschool - Released

17. L - ?

18. Perhaps - Released

19. Omg v2 / Bumblefoot - Leaked

20. 4 Heavens / 4 Kohd versions - Leaked

21. Light My Fire - Doors cover song ?
Is L- ? actually P.R.L ?

Thinking Cuban Skies and Light My Fire are not cover songs.
 
Per a poster on the Hoffman forums https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thre...-youve-met.447377/page-54#post-18118238Nicest / most personable musician you've met?

TheMovieRad


Axl Rose - Hermosa Beach 2003 - hung with him for a few hours - totally not what I was expecting - showed me some demos for Chinese Democracy
Feb 16, 2018


TheMovieRad


JeffHunt said:
DUDE.

Did he play any songs that didn't make the final album?
Yeah one called 100 Cuban Skies about cigars... weird right? Showed me about 8 demos in his Ferrari - what a strange night - told me all about Rhiad and the Bedouins and what it was about... we talked about Izzy and his work ethic, Slash, Shannon Hoon... he was by himself and two buddies and I sat at his table at a bar called Sharkeys... the reason he invited us to sit with him is because I had heard The Blues (street of dreams) on a rock in rio 2002 bootleg - I asked about it and he was impressed I knew it
Feb 16, 2018



TheMovieRad

JeffHunt said:
That's awesome, man! I know that "Cuban Skies" has been a rumored song title for YEARS, so it's pretty cool that you can say that you've heard it! Never would have imagined that it would be about cigars, though!

Axl has really mellowed out over the years - I briefly met him in 2012 and he was VERY patient, polite, and gracious when it came to signing autographs.
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I guess Stephanie Seymour’s sister was dating an arms dealer named Rhiad and Axl didn’t really dig this dude so he told me He wrote that tune about him. Said Bucketheads white guitar is a hollow body les Paul that was built by a master luthier who suicided right after he gave the guitar to Buckethead - told me Izzy would rather be lazy and make $40,000 then Work his ass off and make millions - said Slash quietly OD’d four times in 2002 - just a bunch of inside info that somehow I became privy to
Feb 16, 2018
 





Light My Fire is a cover of The Doors song, right? Or, am I missing something obvious?

I am with @wasted - I think there are only a few songs left with vocals.

I'm not saying I agree with each and every point, but the math and logic checks out. 26 songs nearly done in 2006. 14 end up on CD. The leaked CD II track list has another 15. Of those 15, we've heard through leaks or releases 9 of them. 2 appear to be covers.

It makes sense to me that there are only a few songs left with vocals. That's not my hope, I hope he has more, but I doubt it would be the case.
I haven't been able to find anything that implies Light My Fire is not a doors cover song.

It seems odd though that Axl would want to have a cover song on cd2 but uyi 1 and uyi 2 had 2 cover songs in kohd and live and let die that were big singles for gnr so maybe that was the thought process.
 
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