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Inamorata is the only song from that one I ever listen to now

 
Seamus McBundy said:
So, 72 Seasons was an AI effort, right? At least from the "songs" I heard. I gave up after listening to two of these shithouse Miles Dyson efforts.

Phoned-in Hardwired stems? I cannot detect any training from Metallica's good 80's shit. Your thoughts?
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For me their last few albums really suffer from a bad case of disjointed choruses. They often just appear out of thin air after a weird chugga chugga segue or random time signature change and are really unmemorable. It started with Death Magnetic (I actually like this album) and got worse on the last two albums. It seems like James just throws together random seperate song ideas into a single song rather than taking the time to make it fit as a continuous peice of music. 

Hardwired has some ok songs but a lot of trash too. Second disc is rough except Spit Out The Bone which is the best song on the album. I like the live version of Halo On Fire from S&M 2. Likewise the best song on 72 Seasons is the final song Inamorta. 

Another big problem is that their production has been terrible since St Anger. Which sucks because they were sonically the best sounding band in the 90s. The Black Album, Load, Reload and Garage Inc sound absolutely perfect. Their mixes are just loud and have no dynamics now. 72 Seasons is ok, but nothing compared to their 90s sound. 

 
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Sydney Fan said:
I think they are doing the whole fast music because they are scared the fanbase will compare any stuff to St Anger.

I think they are generally embarrassed about that album, and dont want to be associated with it. Lars snare drum sound that sounds like a garbage can, and no solos from Kirk make it their Chinese Democracy album equivalant.
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I have learned to enjoy St Anger over the years. Its not amazing. But I can tolerate it. The production is awful and it was a product of its time (meaning the mid 2000s and also the band nearly falling apart), but there is some ok stuff there if you can be generous with it. My World is the only truly horrible song imo. 

Also the thing about St Anger is that it is really heavy and fast. It's not traditional thrash Metallica but it was in a lot of ways a return to their heavy era with a nu metal twist. The setlists live on that tour focused on the early albums. On St Anger Lars was back on the double bass (the drumming is also quite good at times minus that awful snare). There are also some killer riffs. Listen to this riff at 3:45 on Sweet Amber. There's isolated cool moments. 









 
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Borki said:
Another big problem is that their production has been terrible since St Anger. Which sucks because they were sonically the best sounding band in the 90s. The Black Album, Load, Reload and Garage Inc sound absolutely perfect. Their mixes are just loud and have no dynamics now. 72 Seasons is ok, but nothing compared to their 90s sound. 
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When Metallica Guitar Hero came out, someone uses the stems and remastered Death Magnetic. When it got popular, Metallica released a "remastered for iTunes" version. Takes a LOT of the clipping down. 

 
Borki said:
For me their last few albums really suffer from a bad case of disjointed choruses. They often just appear out of thin air after a weird chugga chugga segue or random time signature change and are really unmemorable. It started with Death Magnetic (I actually like this album) and got worse on the last two albums. It seems like James just throws together random seperate song ideas into a single song rather than taking the time to make it fit as a continuous peice of music. 

Hardwired has some ok songs but a lot of trash too. Second disc is rough except Spit Out The Bone which is the best song on the album. I like the live version of Halo On Fire from S&M 2. Likewise the best song on 72 Seasons is the final song Inamorta. 

Another big problem is that their production has been terrible since St Anger. Which sucks because they were sonically the best sounding band in the 90s. The Black Album, Load, Reload and Garage Inc sound absolutely perfect. Their mixes are just loud and have no dynamics now. 72 Seasons is ok, but nothing compared to their 90s sound. 
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I agree on the band not sonically sounding good since the 90s releases.

Rick Rubin produced DM and for whatever reason got the band to channel their Killem All energy and the production sounds as bad as the mixing on AJFA, probably worse. So i blame Rubin on that.

Past DM releases, im not sure why the band have moved away from what made them sound so sonically good in the 90s.

 
AxlisOld said:
When Metallica Guitar Hero came out, someone uses the stems and remastered Death Magnetic. When it got popular, Metallica released a "remastered for iTunes" version. Takes a LOT of the clipping down. 
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I have heard about this, but Im not sure if Ive hears it. Do you know if it's the version available on Spotify? 

 
Sydney Fan said:
I agree on the band not sonically sounding good since the 90s releases.

Rick Rubin produced DM and for whatever reason got the band to channel their Killem All energy and the production sounds as bad as the mixing on AJFA, probably worse. So i blame Rubin on that.

Past DM releases, im not sure why the band have moved away from what made them sound so sonically good in the 90s.
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Rick Rubin has been the producer on a lot of albums that sound horrible sonically. Californication by RHCP is so loud and clippy it's hard for me to listen to.

 
Borki said:
Rick Rubin has been the producer on a lot of albums that sound horrible sonically. Californication by RHCP is so loud and clippy it's hard for me to listen to.
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Cardi turned me on to the Californication Unmastered version that Flea allegedly leaked. Sounds waaaay better.

 
@Borki the Spotify version is the Rubin master, flea allegedly hated it so much that he leaked the original mix out of spite

You can probably find it if you just Yandex "Californication flea leak" or something

 
I think Mustaine wasn't even a great guitar player when he was in Metallica. He kind of just mindlessly shredded over everything. It's like getting fired from Metallica made him take his playing more seriously and he became 3 times the player he was. Dave ultimately became the all around better player. But Kirk is better for Metallica imo.

89-92 is peak Metallica. But 1999 is also a really underrated year where James sounded incredible. S&M is the best his vocals ever sounded (even if theyre a bit touched up. Other shows from that year also sound great).  

1995 is an interesting year. I always loved this song (like a lot of underrated songs from Load and Reload). Its interesting how much heavier it sounds with the TBA era white drumset, slightly faster tempo and long hair. 



 
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Borki said:
I think Mustaine wasn't even a great guitar player when he was in Metallica. He kind of just mindlessly shredded over everything. It's like getting fired from Metallica made him take his playing more seriously and he became 3 times the player he was. Dave ultimately became the all around better player. But Kirk is better for Metallica imo.

89-92 is peak Metallica. But 1999 is also a really underrated year where James sounded incredible. S&M is the best his vocals ever sounded (even if theyre a bit touched up. Other shows from that year also sound great).  
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Man I don’t know…. 
Mustaines leads on the No Life Till Leather demo are fucking electric just fire captured on tape. Their prime for me was debut to Justice, the 90s Metallica were a different band, but they had to become a different band by that stage… 

 
arnold layne said:
Let me know if you find RTL with MoP vocals. I love RTL but James sounds like shit.
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Will do. I don't mind the vocals too much on RTL (and they dont sound too noticably different from MOP to my ears), but the overall production is pretty bad. It sorta fits the album cover in a way though. It sounds tinny, cold and blue (if that makes sense). 

I saw them do the entire RTL album (they played it backwards) in 2012 at their Orion Festival. Only time Escape has ever been performed live. Was pretty cool. 

 
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