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Unreleased Chinese Democracy Era Songs Definitive List & Information

Sydney Fan said:
For whate

For whatever strange reason i dont think Axl wants or is interested in working with people from the bands past like Clink.
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That's a big problem but I think you're right.

Maybe Brendan OBrien he did Rock or Bust or Josh Homme makes decent sounding records with QOTSA.

Jimmy Page is too indulgent at this point. He should've produced CD.

In a way Rubin is the hands off nostalgia producer.

But still Clink is the man. Axl can stand back and let Slash and Duff lay down the tracks and Axl just needs to put the vocals in like UYI. With a little from his AI friends.
 
gunsntortillas said:
The reality is that people aren't equations you can fix, and it's clear that Axl is scared or disinterested when it comes to recording and releasing music. The reunion has been going on for 10 years. It took the Village leaks to nudge us towards getting some new old music. He's not doing a new album with them.

It would have been incredibly easy for the band to write a back to basics rock album in 2016. Look at Axl's voice on the AC/DC tour, and also when he had to sit Dave Grohl's toilet to sing. They could have written a 35-40 minute Slash solo album with Axl's vocals, and thrown on a song for the chicks, and just like the RHCPs reunion, even if it didn't touch their past work, people would have been happy to have it. It would have moved 100k copies, or whatever rock albums do now, and it would have been done with. It was basically a layup. It's made even funnier by the fact that Axl already had an album done and they still couldn't find a way to release something within a reasonable window of the reunion.
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I would say that there's more then just one album done. That is the thing that is the most frustrating.
 
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I do not believe Cuban Skies is about cigars i believe that was a troll.
No one directly told me that however it matches certain a modus operandi of a group.

I was told when i asked a very knowledgeable individual for their opinion on the identity of Quick Song they stated that Cuban Skies is Quick Song in quite a confident manner to me.
 
Bill Brasky said:
I was told when i asked a very knowledgeable individual for their opinion on the identity of Quick Song they stated that Cuban Skies is Quick Song in quite a confident manner to me.
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That's cool. Quick Song being Cuban Skies kinda makes sense to me. Was it ever confirmed if Axl performed a complete vocal track?
 
Bill Brasky said:
Confirmed by Axl which is really all that matters no. By others yes.
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Bill Brasky said:
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So Rick has described hearing Dragon to me and liars otters years ago as ballad looking at the supposed subject master document above we can accurately say we've heard anything instrumentals or completed songs for everything listed above.

That's with my theory Seven is State of Grace.

All i ever wanted is generally to be considered a alternative name for Better at the time of document above.

So that leaves Dragon.
In my research i came across this video credit @John Bonham
To me it sounds like a possiblity to be Dragon. If it is known to be otherwise please someone correct me.
@DaddyDont @Soul Monster @Fearthejuggalo @Gunnns
 
Bill Brasky said:
So Rick has described hearing Dragon to me and liars otters years ago as ballad looking at the supposed subject master document above we can accurately say we've heard anything instrumentals or completed songs for everything listed above.

That's with my theory Seven is State of Grace.

All i ever wanted is generally to be considered a alternative name for Better at the time of document above.

So that leaves Dragon.
In my research i came across this video credit @John Bonham
To me it sounds like a possiblity to be Dragon. If it is known to be otherwise please someone correct me.
@DaddyDont @Soul Monster @Fearthejuggalo @Gunnns
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He would know if it was Perhaps, Maximus, IRS, TIL, can't be Shackler's.
 
Bill Brasky said:
Per @zombux
"Unknown studio recording by Duff and Izzy - around April 1995 *MISSING* "10 pieces" including Down By The Ocean or Down By The Sea, Machine Gun (at least 3 takes) and Tooth Puller (the latter two dated April 18 1995) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE
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occasional studio rehearsals around July-August 1995 (Duff and Matt Sorum mostly during days, while Axl was there in the nights)

Slash's home studio - (since Aug to "late fall 1995" - Slash and Duff tried sessions together with Paul Huge - "Slash musically involved for 2 week initial period")

("The Shadow Company" - parallel studio lineup - Axl, Paul Huge, Dizzy, since Oct 94 to early Feb 95 also Sid Riggs and Krys Baratto, to about Aug 96) The Complex Studio, LA (?) sessions - for example "the folky nonsense" (Jun 96), or Shaq jamming (unclear if Feb 96 or April 1997 but 97 seems way off

Slash returned for work with GNR in July 96 - Unknown sessions at The Complex ("The Compound") - around July to October 1996 (Slash, Duff, Axl, Dizzy, Matt Sorum, Paul Huge - "the next Jackie Chan movie") early sketch of Fall To Pieces *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE]

Slash left GNR for good before October 30th 1996"

Duff left in August of 1997.

My take

Jackie Chan aka Hard School
Down By The Ocean
Machine Gun
Tooth Puller
Are from that era

Could Curly Shuffle also be from that era ?
I also question if Oklahoma/Berlin is from that era.
Here's why
According to Chinese Whisperers
1995

"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)

1998

"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken). [...] (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)
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Is it possible/likely that Machine Gun could've turned into Riad N' The Bedouins ?
Axl Rose and Tommy Stinson are credit as the writters, but as seen with reunion era Chinese Democracy leftover releases original writing credits change.

The song is about Axl's former arab arms dealing brother in law per Axl Rose

"Riad is the name my one time momentary brother-in-law of Erin Everly went by when I knew him. Of part Lebanese descent and a former student of Pepperdine University he claims to be an international arms dealer, billionaire with ambitions of being "King of the World". He claims to fund several medical organizations and underground Nazi organizations around the world who says his heroes are Napoleon and Adolph Hitler. He claims his most prized asset is his anonymity. He also claims to be an expert in military strategy and was the inspiration for the Guns song Civil War which was written per his request for a song how "people were stupid and he could sell them anything because people love to kill each other." He also claims to be an expert in global finance and money laundering living tax free in Belair last I was aware and claiming to launder monies for wealthy individuals in several countries predominantly Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, with ties to the Bush/Reagan administrations and wherever there's a war in the world at any given moment."
Excerpts from the Chinese Democracy CD liner notes
Credit to @Soul Monster
over at a-4-d.com for copying and uploading the liner notes.

It be could coincidental that Izzy and Duff worked on the instrumentals on a song called Machine Gun separate from the band. However the lyrics and what song is about are clearly from the late 80's and early 90's when Axl was around the individual who inspired the song.

Also something to take note of is Axl and Duff were very close at this time of the recording of Machine Gun and the date recorded listed in the photograph of umg storage quoted above this post is april 1995 that's 13 months after Duff's pancreas exploded in march 94.
Which in Duff's autobiography he wrote how Axl was the only one to visit him at the hospital and how they spent a bunch of time together afterwards.

We know during this time Axl was in court with Erin Everly and that Oklahoma/Berlin was written then it's pretty safe to assume a song about Erin's sister's husband most likely was written then too.

So that put Rhiad N' Bedouins being written in 1994-1995
The same time a song named Machine Gun appears.
 
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Update
Everything stated as in my opinion is backed with factual evidence or logical reasoning and explanation throughout the prior pages of this thread by myself. There is some speculation of course but it's based on collaboration with other knowledgeable posters and sourced information.

1. Cuban Skies - Most likely is Quick Song which MSL has stated publicly multiple times

2. The General - Released

3. Atlas Shrugged - Released

4. Soul Monster - In my opinion Leave Me Alone / Me and My Elvis

5. Silkworms - Absurd, Released

6.Thyme is P.RL - Village sessions disc covers confirms this

7. Going Down - Probably never going to be released but leaked

8. Tonto - Is in my opinion Tooth Puller

9. Monstrocity - Is in my opinion Monsters

10. Nothing - Released

11. Jackie Chan - Hard School, Released

12. Perhaps - Released

13. Oh My God

14. 4 Heavens - 4 different versions of KOHD, Likely to be released as cd leftover with new acoustic instrumentals by Slash and Duff

15. Light My Fire - Likely a doors cover song

16. Seven - In my opinion is State Of Grace

17. Quick Song - See Cuban Skies

18. Zodiac - Confirmed to have vocals by the village sessions disc covers

19. State Of Grace - As stated above most likely Seven

20. Ides Of March - In my opinion is Circus Maximus

21. Down By The Ocean - Most likely never going released by GNR confirmed real and to have vocals by Sp1at at gnr evo

22. Oklahoma/Berlin

23. Eye On You - Sampled on Hardschool

24. Machine Gun - Likely Riad

25. Dragon - Rick claimed to have heard this song and has described it as a ballad

26. Curly Shuffle - Appears both in the 1995 Duff and Izzy sessions and on the Village sessions disc as a instrumental that leaked

27. Real Doll.com - Added to the main unreleased song category due to the rest of Rough Mixes 2 having confirmed vocals.
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Other titles such as The Rebel, Prom Violence, Mustache, Dummy, Billionaire, Dub Suplex , Devious Bastard, D Tune, As It Began were all instrumentals on the village discs that leaked

Beta's Barn is a song title confirmed by Chris Pittman but vocals are unknown


So roughly 41 completed songs with 27 already leaked or officially released 14 of which are off Chinese Democracy album and roughly 52 total songs counting instrumentals with unknown vocals.
There will be dupes in the numbers above due to name changes.

That in my opinion is what is left in the vault of unreleased songs from Chinese Democracy era.
 
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