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Unreleased Chinese Democracy Era Songs Definitive List & Information

Interesting. Based on what's been done with other "older material", this isn't a fringe theory that tonto could be tooth puller with a nu coat of paint.

I would love to hear an "old Ax vocals" take of hardschool based on that rasp during OMG and Big Daddy SCOM outro.
It's a great find by Shacklemyrye over at Gnr evolution he's a very astute observer.

There's many individuals who can add to this topic hopefully the community decides to actual communicate with each other instead letting a few control a narrative.

Remember folks copy and pasting information doesn't make someone informed actual interactions with others who have knowledge does.

I will be posting my update in a few weeks here and i encourage the conversation to continue
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Blackstar's post over at mygnr
Stating the un cropped cd2 tracklist hasn't been shared publicly on Monday 12/08/2025
" 2) The image is cropped from a larger one (that has not been shared in public), which is a screenshot of what appears to be a forwarded email originally sent by Fernando and dating from January 2008."

3 days earlier on Twitter

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We have almost the first part of CD II, guys.

CHINESE DEMOCRACY II:

1 - "Silkworms" (Released in 2021; officially 'ABSURD!')
2 - "Jackie Chan" (Released in 2021; officially 'Hard Skool')
3 - "Perhaps" (Released in 2023)
4 - "The General" (Released in 2023)
5 - "Soul Monster" (Cancelled B - Side; officially 'Monsters')
6 - "Thyme" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Nothin'" released instead)
7 - "Seven" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Atlas' released instead)
8 - "Nothing" (Released in 2025; officially 'Nothin'')
9 - "Atlas Shrugged" (Released in 2025; officially 'Atlas')
10 - "Going Down" (Leaked in 2018)
11 - "Oh My God" (Released in 1999)
12- "Cuban Skies" (Called 'Dummy')
13 - "Oklahoma" (Called 'Berlin' later)
14 - "Moustache"
15 - "State of Grace"
16 - "Tonto"
17 - "Dragon's Kiss"
18 - "Quick Song"
19 - "Zodiac"
20 - "Curly Shuffle"
21 - "This Grave"
(Called 'Me and My Elvis')
22 - "As It Began"
23 - "We Were Lying"
24 - "Monstrosity"
 
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We have almost the first part of CD II, guys.

CHINESE DEMOCRACY II:

1 - "Silkworms" (Released in 2021; officially 'ABSURD!')
2 - "Jackie Chan" (Released in 2021; officially 'Hard Skool')
3 - "Perhaps" (Released in 2023)
4 - "The General" (Released in 2023)
5 - "Soul Monster" (Cancelled B - Side; officially 'Monsters')
6 - "Thyme" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Nothin'" released instead)
7 - "Seven" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Atlas' released instead)
8 - "Nothing" (Released in 2025; officially 'Nothin'')
9 - "Atlas Shrugged" (Released in 2025; officially 'Atlas')
10 - "Going Down" (Leaked in 2018)
11 - "Oh My God" (Released in 1999)
12- "Cuban Skies" (Called 'Dummy')
13 - "Oklahoma" (Called 'Berlin' later)
14 - "Moustache"
15 - "State of Grace"
16 - "Tonto"
17 - "Dragon's Kiss"
18 - "Quick Song"
19 - "Zodiac"
20 - "Curly Shuffle"
21 - "This Grave"
(Called 'Me and My Elvis')
22 - "As It Began"
23 - "We Were Lying"
24 - "Monstrosity"
Sir what are you basing your list on ?
It's not factual accurate.
 
Sir what are you basing your list on ?
It's not factual accurate.

Yeah at some point Axl envisioned Chinese Democracy as two albums, with the industrial stuff like Silkworms and the Bucket-heavy tracks like Shackler's Revenge coming on a second disc titled PRL

But by 2008 he was clearly just shoving whatever was finished onto the final album without regard to the dual-album concept.

The first album was always intended to be the Stephanie-heavy stuff, or at least it was that way until around 2001 ("I hope Dylan hears it someday so he knows the truth").

I have a feeling This I Love and Hard Skool were the tracks Axl was holding back for Slash to solo on if he ever rejoined the band - Axl said the band had to talk him into recording This I Love after he initially scrapped it circa-1998.

So the track listing for the dual album concept would have looked something like:

Chinese Democracy
Chinese Democracy
Street of Dreams
There Was a Time
Catcher in the Rye
Riad N' the Bedouins
Sorry
I.R.S.
Madagascar
Perhaps
Atlas Shrugged
Prostitute

PRL
Thyme (instrumental, orchestrated by Marco Beltrami)
PRL
Oh My God
Better
If the World
Scraped
Shackler's Revenge
State of Grace
SIlkworms
The General
Monsters
 
Yeah at some point Axl envisioned Chinese Democracy as two albums, with the industrial stuff like Silkworms and the Bucket-heavy tracks like Shackler's Revenge coming on a second disc titled PRL

But by 2008 he was clearly just shoving whatever was finished onto the final album without regard to the dual-album concept.

The first album was always intended to be the Stephanie-heavy stuff, or at least it was that way until around 2001 ("I hope Dylan hears it someday so he knows the truth").

I have a feeling This I Love and Hard Skool were the tracks Axl was holding back for Slash to solo on if he ever rejoined the band - Axl said the band had to talk him into recording This I Love after he initially scrapped it circa-1998.

So the track listing for the dual album concept would have looked something like:

Chinese Democracy
Chinese Democracy
Street of Dreams
There Was a Time
Catcher in the Rye
Riad N' the Bedouins
Sorry
I.R.S.
Madagascar
Perhaps
Atlas Shrugged
Prostitute

PRL
Thyme (instrumental, orchestrated by Marco Beltrami)
PRL
Oh My God
Better
If the World
Scraped
Shackler's Revenge
State of Grace
SIlkworms
The General
Monsters
Would this have been the pre 2004 plan. I remember people talking about a double disc back then but never really had many facts to back it up.
 
"You know, this was like building up to that show [House of Blues]. We were supposed to – well, not supposed to, but everybody was like, “Hey, if anybody’s got songs and shit, you can bring them in”. [...] Extrakd [Steve Freeman] and Mirv [Marc Haggard] and I, when I wasn’t doing Guns stuff, we’d just jam in my living room type of thing. You know, we had, like, a ProTools setup and we were jamming, and we were trying to come up with songs for Guns. [...] We were writing all these crazy songs to try to turn in and these were coming from, like, you know, Extrakd is an old school dj type – he’s a bass player, but he loves old school break beats and, you know, cratedigger type of guy – and so this shit we were putting together was crazy. You know, we were just kind of going like, “Okay, what samples should we find for Axl?” Like, “Well, he’s kind of like Julius Caesar”, so we were sampling Julius Caesar, looking for albums, you know, and old school crazy shit. And I think we sampled, like, Ben Hur and chopped it up and cut it up, and that became a jam called “Seven” – I think we called it “Seven”. And I remember bringing that to the studio to have – I think Roy Thomas Baker was producing at that point and, you know, we’d be playing the stuff and he’d be in."
Appetite for Distortion, March 17, 2019


the concept of grace is central to "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ," as the story explores themes of forgiveness and redemption, particularly through the character of Judah Ben-Hur's transformation influenced by his encounters with Jesus. The narrative illustrates how grace can lead to reconciliation and a deeper understanding of love and compassion.

Seven is most likely State of Grace.

[...] 'Ides of March' was a working title of one of the songs that came from a loop name that Dizzy came up with: I think they kept the name, but it's been years so I'm sure everything has changed by now." (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)


Would you say this has a Dizzy Loop on it?

Well Seven isn't Ides Of March aka Circus Maximums
Here's Axl confirming real song titles

A: Ides Of March, Oklahoma, Atlas Shrugged, Oh My God, Silkworms , Down By The Ocean (Izzy), Leave Me Alone, Seven , The General , Thyme , Quick Song , Zodiac Most all titles subject to change w/out warning and r considered working titles. (Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com, Dec. 2008)

As you see Seven and Ides Of March both appear.
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Ides is 98, Brain joined after that and Seven comes from one of his crazy jam sessions.

Ides came from a Dizzy loop.
Seven is Brain track.

Pretty convinced SOG has the same musical elements as The General and Monsters. I could even see lyrically SOG being sarcastically about the religious views of his abusers. Rationalizing on verses, then unleashing rage on chorus. Axl still remembers his real name.
Ides of March is most likely Circus Maximus.

Do you agree or disagree ?

I think the information above with other post in this thread have made a compelling argument for that to be the case.

Update still coming on the other Chinese Democracy Era Songs.
 
Dude that’s the Atlas guy, Greatest setlist hoaxer ever.

The information is not reliable or factual at all.

The poster is Atlas. Very enthusiast fan but his post his list are not based on any factual evidence.

If you guys want a list to go by here's one from a guy who is trusted and accurate.
Zombux did a great job.
Sir if you've been reading the thread you would know I'm aware and know Atlas.
 
"You know, this was like building up to that show [House of Blues]. We were supposed to – well, not supposed to, but everybody was like, “Hey, if anybody’s got songs and shit, you can bring them in”. [...] Extrakd [Steve Freeman] and Mirv [Marc Haggard] and I, when I wasn’t doing Guns stuff, we’d just jam in my living room type of thing. You know, we had, like, a ProTools setup and we were jamming, and we were trying to come up with songs for Guns. [...] We were writing all these crazy songs to try to turn in and these were coming from, like, you know, Extrakd is an old school dj type – he’s a bass player, but he loves old school break beats and, you know, cratedigger type of guy – and so this shit we were putting together was crazy. You know, we were just kind of going like, “Okay, what samples should we find for Axl?” Like, “Well, he’s kind of like Julius Caesar”, so we were sampling Julius Caesar, looking for albums, you know, and old school crazy shit. And I think we sampled, like, Ben Hur and chopped it up and cut it up, and that became a jam called “Seven” – I think we called it “Seven”. And I remember bringing that to the studio to have – I think Roy Thomas Baker was producing at that point and, you know, we’d be playing the stuff and he’d be in."
Appetite for Distortion, March 17, 2019


the concept of grace is central to "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ," as the story explores themes of forgiveness and redemption, particularly through the character of Judah Ben-Hur's transformation influenced by his encounters with Jesus. The narrative illustrates how grace can lead to reconciliation and a deeper understanding of love and compassion.

Seven is most likely State of Grace.






Ides of March is most likely Circus Maximus.

Do you agree or disagree ?

I think the information above with other post in this thread have made a compelling argument for that to be the case.

Update still coming on the other Chinese Democracy Era Songs.
Agree.

There's a loop at beginning of Maximus. Fits Dizzy loop description of Ides. Plus the Roman references. But did it become a full song with vocals?

Or did it become part of Seven/SOG?
 
Agree.

There's a loop at beginning of Maximus. Fits Dizzy loop description of Ides. Plus the Roman references. But did it become a full song with vocals?

Or did it become part of Seven/SOG?
It doesn't make sense for Axl to list both Ides Of March and Seven as real songs in the forum chats as he did if they're the same song.
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WE GET IT, You're a Robin Fink troll. It's not subtle. I suggest you and Carbies (The Fortus Troll) start a discord or a podcast !

If you don't have anything to add to this thread except Robin Fink is the bestest ever then please refrain from shitting it up.

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What I have to add to this discussion is after hearing the wav version of Monsters I have come to the conclusion it's Robin on the outro and not Slash.
 
We have almost the first part of CD II, guys.

CHINESE DEMOCRACY II:

1 - "Silkworms" (Released in 2021; officially 'ABSURD!')
2 - "Jackie Chan" (Released in 2021; officially 'Hard Skool')
3 - "Perhaps" (Released in 2023)
4 - "The General" (Released in 2023)
5 - "Soul Monster" (Cancelled B - Side; officially 'Monsters')
6 - "Thyme" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Nothin'" released instead)
7 - "Seven" (Cancelled release on June 6th 2025; 'Atlas' released instead)
8 - "Nothing" (Released in 2025; officially 'Nothin'')
9 - "Atlas Shrugged" (Released in 2025; officially 'Atlas')
10 - "Going Down" (Leaked in 2018)
11 - "Oh My God" (Released in 1999)
12- "Cuban Skies" (Called 'Dummy')
13 - "Oklahoma" (Called 'Berlin' later)
14 - "Moustache"
15 - "State of Grace"
16 - "Tonto"
17 - "Dragon's Kiss"
18 - "Quick Song"
19 - "Zodiac"
20 - "Curly Shuffle"
21 - "This Grave"
(Called 'Me and My Elvis')
22 - "As It Began"
23 - "We Were Lying"
24 - "Monstrosity"

Just found this board from evo. Been around tons of boards for 25+ years since I was 17/18 in 99 under fantomfaith, axlgreasenslice, and UYI 4. Nice board! Enjoy the radio too.

Now how tf does someone know this above list? Ive seen the list and video from that MSL dude. Have it all downloaded somewhere on a drive from lockergate of 19. Never heard Thyme or Seven being released this year.

Funny after all these years we all put so much time and weight into hoping this stuff gets released. At latest a new post Spaghetti -
GNR album should have been out minimum 1996. I was 14 lol.
 
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Just found this board from evo. Been around tons of boards for 25+ years since I was 17/18 in 99 under fantomfaith, axlgreasenslice, and UYI 4. Nice board! Enjoy the radio too.

Now how tf does someone know this above list? Ive seen the list and video from that MSL dude. Have it all downloaded somewhere on a drive from lockergate of 19. Never heard Thyme or Seven being released this year.

Funny after all these years we all put so much time and weight into hoping this stuff gets released. At latest a new post Spaghetti -
GNR album should have been out minimum 1996. I was 14 lol.
His post are fan fiction, Which has been pointed out already in the thread.
 
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